tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6410615559824660051.post4925509126592768595..comments2023-10-18T05:31:21.249-07:00Comments on Peregrinations: The Creation MuseumRick Gerhardthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10478878021692544533noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6410615559824660051.post-46806809052766346552010-02-21T15:10:08.456-08:002010-02-21T15:10:08.456-08:00Rick,
Living within 25 miles of said museum, I am ...Rick,<br />Living within 25 miles of said museum, I am CONSTANTLY confronted with this issue. In my efforts to be gracious and keep the real "enemy" (Naturalism) in mind, I have often found myself avoiding the subject as best I can. No longer.<br /><br />During my church's journey through FOTF's "Truth Project," a friend of mine confronted me (in front of a large group of folks) for tiptoeing around it.<br /><br />My account of the encounter is here: http://true-horizon.blogspot.com/2009/09/out-of-closet.html<br /><br />He was right to do so, of course, and it made me realize just how harmful this can be. I appreciate your post more than you know.<br /><br />Well done ... as always<br /><br />~BobAv8torbobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09052262247710521065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6410615559824660051.post-994762711030614062010-01-25T09:43:04.612-08:002010-01-25T09:43:04.612-08:00Hi Rick:
Yes, the intriguing thing for me when I ...Hi Rick:<br /><br />Yes, the intriguing thing for me when I read Genesis 1, especially the first few verses, is that it really seems like it is talking about some type of different kind of day, the nature of which we know not. Of particular resonance in this regard is your statement “imposing a 24-hour day upon the Creator God who is outside of time.” Just seems to me like there is something going on here, in the first few days at least, that we have a hard time getting our heads around. So, tongue in check, I propose a new 15th theory to add to your previously noted 14, namely, “the Different Kind of Day” theory, in which the only “belief” is that we really do not, and cannot, understand what these days are, although they seem to mirror in some respect our 7 day week. Obviously I am just parroting Augustine’s epistemological humility, and going no further.Mike Cabanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6410615559824660051.post-90534755594688851502010-01-24T14:06:15.759-08:002010-01-24T14:06:15.759-08:00Hi Mike:
Yes, Augustine seemed to realize that th...Hi Mike:<br /><br />Yes, Augustine seemed to realize that there were problems with imposing a 24-hour day upon the Creator God who is outside of time.<br /><br />More importantly, however, Augustine is just one example of Christians throughout history who maintained a humility about their understandings, a humility often lacking within the church today.<br /><br />Thanks for reading.Rick Gerhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10478878021692544533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6410615559824660051.post-44409423507320326322010-01-24T06:51:21.059-08:002010-01-24T06:51:21.059-08:00One other Augustine quote of interest from the sam...One other Augustine quote of interest from the same book you noted:<br /><br />“That day in the account of creation, or those days that are numbered according to its recurrence, are beyond the knowledge and experience of us mortal and earthbound men. And if we are able to make any effort towards an understanding of the meaning of those days, we ought not to run forward with an ill-considered opinion, as if no other reasonable and plausible interpretation could be offered. Seven days by our reckoning, after the model of days of creation, make up a week. By the passage of such weeks, time rolls on, and in these weeks one day is constituted by the course of the sun from its rising to its setting; but we must bear in mind that these days indeed recall the days of creation, but without in any way being really similar to them.”Mike Cabanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6410615559824660051.post-74292418971174658042010-01-05T21:01:07.285-08:002010-01-05T21:01:07.285-08:00Mark D:
I, too! Thanks for reading.Mark D:<br /><br />I, too! Thanks for reading.Rick Gerhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10478878021692544533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6410615559824660051.post-40480016792550174352010-01-05T17:44:15.168-08:002010-01-05T17:44:15.168-08:00Rick - excellent citations, and I wholeheartedly a...Rick - excellent citations, and I wholeheartedly agree. BTW - I have always loved the piece by Augustine.Mark Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08401191948650519986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6410615559824660051.post-42758682550399284422010-01-02T18:42:01.948-08:002010-01-02T18:42:01.948-08:00Hi Jordan:
Yes, I think you're right. The wa...Hi Jordan:<br /><br />Yes, I think you're right. The way I would put it is... The Gospel (that we are hopelessly lost in sin and that the perfectly holy God Himself had to suffer Roman crucifixion to deal with that sin problem) is offense enough; we are not to be more offensive (in our behavior or false claims).<br /><br />Or, to put it another way (though echoing Augustine), why would we expect a modern reader to stick with the Bible all the way to the part about Cross and Resurrection (more than halfway through the Book) if our interpretation of the first several pages is demonstrably false?<br /><br />Thanks for reading!Rick Gerhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10478878021692544533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6410615559824660051.post-73283034768421801102009-12-29T20:16:41.728-08:002009-12-29T20:16:41.728-08:00Thanks for the review. I used to be such a fan of ...Thanks for the review. I used to be such a fan of Answers in Genesis and almost all my Christian friends and family are die-hard followers. It makes me deeply saddened to think about it these days. I was so confident those days.<br /><br />I've seen those Augustine/Aquinas quotes around and I think they're fascinating considering how long ago ago those guys lived. My question/comment though is, is there danger that we can chase "don't embarrass us" to the end that the Gospel has no power left to it? What I mean is, there are various scripture passages that talk about our message seeming to be foolishness to those who reject God. So are we to not embarrass Christianity for secondary things but to hold firm to those that are primary? I don't know if that makes sense, it's late here :-)Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992760922343915366noreply@blogger.com